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Thank you @holdinghope5 I am feeling constrained by all the media, not the forum particularly.

 

I love that you @Dimity write..."I'm also grateful for exposure to awesome nature through ocean coast and bushy hinterland where I learned to botanise. " I need to use that last word more.

 

Thank you for saying: 

"Writing may well be an outlet and a public good but i think you'd need to pace yourself and have ongoing responsive support." Yes I agree. I am not seemingly able to shake off the trauma feelings for quite some time.  I just keep getting retriggered.  Maybe its some magical beautiful final integration of my shadow side and I will emerge more healed. I dont know.  I might follow the mindful gardener ... youtube ... In that if we cant avoid it, we cant deny it.... to lean into the discomfort. 

 

Agreeing with you also, about some good hearted musicians and what went on behind those red brick walls.

 

I think we both have a sense of the good work that Sane is doing, and the idea of recovery is lovely, but overly scripted responses and conversations are probably coercive and not true to the spirit of the therapeutic project.

 

I am feeling grateful, to be seen and heard.  

 

 

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@AlwaysMyself It is good to get you know you better, and really beautiful to have some like-minded and like-hearted souls choosing to relate to me, in my deep vulnerability.

 

Thank you for asking.  My mother and family is from the Netherlands, and my father was Irish Australian.  He had nobody and died young, so most input came from my Dutch side, and there was also the periods "in care" and how that impacted my siblings.

 

So, I didn't totally identify as Australian, as I didnt hear Aussie stories as family.  It is really amazing. I am finally putting together my paternal ancestry and now have some detailed information about the particulars. Now I am pretty sure we are from both convict and eureka "royalty"...lol .. wry smile.  So its finally weird, to reintegrate all the other Aussie flavours and myths ... as relevant to me ... at such a late time in my life!

 

One of my musician friends recently went to Prague and Vienna and was telling me about it.  Yes, it could be lovely to go, but I may not be up to overseas travel. I am accepting of that.  The internet is good for somethings like researching places and peoples...

 

Thanks for being around the forum, with both vulnerability and offering support to other, and to me.  It matters.

 

 

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You are welcome @Appleblossom , I am liking getting to know you better also. Deep conversation is what I like in socialisation, but I have very few (non-forum) friends that i can have those with.

 

The Netherlands has a very special place in my heart 😍. I fell in love with it the first time I visited, even though I have only been to Amsterdam/Holland region and then a day trip to 2 places outside that region. Since first visiting I always felt "this is a country I could live in". And not just for the cheese! 🤭. I loved the weather too. But the people and the balance between environmentally friendly/conscious but still convenient living was great. And the proximity to the rest of europe for travel... 😍🥰 oh, and Dark Chocomel milk 🤭 was a favourite discovery too. Need i also mention that 24 years ago I discovered Lotus Speculaaspasta and brough multiple jars home 🤭😂 and then learnt to home-make my own spread when it ran out. Ahh and now finally i've been able to buy it here for the past number of years. 😊

 

Indeed the internet is so good for brining "overseas to our doorstep". Ive heard there are some good VR travel experiences avaipable too, but I've never gotten into VR.

I would love to bring Vienna to your desktop 🥰. If you would enjoy exploring it online with someone, I would definitely get more enjoyment and understanding out of the musical (and cultural related to the music!) things from your knowledge sharing.

Just an idea, no pressure.

 

It is interesting where people's ancestry comes from. And it can be quite different based on era and, as you say, convict or free-settler or even royalty! I don't think I have any royal blood in my history 😅, darn no secret inheritence for me lol. 

 

When i think about it, I don't really know anything distinctive about my ansestry culture beyond just my grandparents. My father grew up on a farm, where as my mother grew up in suburbia - so quite different day to day life as children. But both went to university and been city-livers ever since, other than visiting countryside. So i guess i grew up with some understanding of the Aussie-farming culture, whilst not identifying with it myself.  I feel in the city life that i dont really have a distinctive culture, other than my love for the variety of cultural influences that i get to experience.  But when i travel overseas I realise that I do culturally have the "helpful friendly Aussie who treats everyone equally" (not a caste/class based view, personally). I think people in "low class jobs" overseas notice it a lot - that Aussies are more likely to stop and chat with them casually and not talk down to them. (Of course this is not every Aussie!! And its likely that is also because I dont stay in fancy classy places where 'proud' or snobby people would 😅). My friend who is a tour guide in an african country said Aussies were most likely to offer to share their food and beer with the guide 🥰 and treat them like a friend on the week tour also (not as a servant).

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@AlwaysMyself 

 

"I realise that I do culturally have the "helpful friendly Aussie who treats everyone equally" (not a caste/class based view, personally)."  I also like the "land of a fair go" general aspect of Australian culture, but then there are also people who have endured a lot.  Sometimes it is the knowledge of hard times that helps keep that openness to other people. It impacted me that way.

 

Ha ha, I haven't bought the paste. I had peanutbutter from a food co-op for basic protein in my uni days!  My local supermarket has The Dutch Company speculaas biscuits, which I buy as often as Arnotts, which is not a lot, but some... lol...  I am upset they no longer stock spiced gouda!  Oh dear I have managed to get it for decades, but hard to find these days.  I occasionally make an almond ring or banketstaaf.

 

I did spend a few years visiting and working on a dairy farm in the western district as a teen.  I loved that it gave me a sense of value for food and country living in contrast from my mainly inner city experience. The Dutch do do better cheeses... hah!  

 

Share about Vienna and music all you like, see what emerges...?!?

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-22/nigerian-school-children-and-staff-released/106170280 

 

Glad these people have been released.

 

It certainly is a troubled world, with so many different interest groups vying for support and attention.  I had online friendships with a Nigerian and a Ugandan who worked with street kids near Lake Kampunda.  I still get communications from some Missionaries in Niger, connected to my church.  I have spoken about all the different tensions and groups in these various places.  

 

Thank God and Gough for my good education.

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Oh, wow. That is so traumatic for those children, staff and their families and friends (and communities). It is good to hear the remaining people have been released; I do wonder about the 35 difference in numbers - I noticed that too. Makes me wonder if some people unfortunately did not survive. 😢

 

I imagine your friends in Nigeria and Uganda would have both interesting and horrifying stories from their experiences @Appleblossom . I hope they are safe and well, and able to continue doing such important and caring work for their communities at-risk children.

Dimity
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@AlwaysMyself 

 

@Dimity Thanks will look into it a bit.. I definitely have thought about both his published concepts ... way back ...  Inflammed mind and Divided mind ... etymology etc... Bleuler ... bla bla.

 

read Divided self in 1970s. etc etc etc ...

 

neuroscience etc etc...

 

Not as impressed by new break through science concepts anymore ... seems the perennial path and old wisdom is as relevant. Weary of people gunning for an excuse to publish a book.  Sorry feeling cynical. Cos all the break throughs are only geared to certain presentations.  Some people get damaged by this current system.  Seeing it as mainly due to lack of adequate resources, trauma and bullying of some kind.  Even though my relatively rich ex had so called schizophrenia.  He was bullied by his big brother fancy pants American academic. Yep I know that part of society thinks, and acts within their family sibships, as well now, as the poor kiddies in the homes.

 

 

 

 

 

@AuntGlow @holdinghope5 

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Yeah familiar with Rosenhan, Kraeppelin, Sontag, RD Laing ... all of it ...falsity of brain body split ...  @Dimity Lucky it means I probably dont have to waste any money on the book, even if I would agree with most of his propositions. I know exactly where he is coming from, but I do hope SANE, take it more seriously  than blithely accepting simplistic models, like the Recovery model or the biomedical model

 

@AuntGlow @AlwaysMyself @holdinghope5 

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Not sure what you think of Niall MacLaren, Australian Psychiatrist.  

 

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